INTERVISTA A "PSYCHO" MIKE RAHO (INTERVIEW WITH "PSYCHO" MIKE RAHO)
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"Psycho" Mike Raho lotta in Italia da circa 25 anni, è una vera enciclopedia del pro wrestling e del catch as catch can wrestling, la disciplina reale da cui è nato il pro wrestling. E' stato un pioniere del catch as cacth can wrestling in Italia, ha lottato dalla Val d'Aosta alla Sicilia, in molte prestigiose nazioni europee e in Giappone.
"Psycho" Mike Raho has been wrestling in Italy for around 25 years. He is a true encyclopedia of pro wrestling and catch-as-catch-can wrestling, the real wrestling discipline from which pro wrestling originated. He was a pioneer of the revival of catch-as-catch-can wrestling in Italy, wrestling from Valle d'Aosta to Sicily, in many prestigious European countries, and in Japan.
Here are the questions:
1.) You were born in 1978 and were one of the pioneers of the revival of pro wrestling in Italy. Tell us about your training in Italy and abroad. Who were your greatest teachers?
Answer: From childhood until I was 18, I grew up between Italy, Singapore, Thailand, and Indonesia. I played soccer from the youth teams until I was 17, but my real passion was always pro wrestling. My training began with some occasional freestyle wrestling sessions in Singapore and then, more seriously, with Greco-Roman wrestling in Vicenza during university.
The real beginning, however, was in 2000, when I moved to London for about a year specifically to learn pro wrestling. My training in London took place through various schools and teachers, including Frank Rimer, Tony Scarlo, Mel Stuart, Alex Shane, Mark Sloan, and others. During that year I learned the basics and fundamentals of pro wrestling.
In London I also attended my first seminar with an international pro wrestler, "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels. I continued training and attending seminars after returning to live in Italy in 2001, and I still attend seminars today, even though I am semi-retired.
In wrestling, you never stop studying and learning, and I have been fortunate enough to travel and attend many seminars over the years, learning from important names such as Sami Zayn, who was known as El Generico at the time, Raven, Tajiri, Nigel McGuinness, Marty Jones, Johnny Saint, Scotty 2 Hotty, Santino Marella, Mike Quackenbush, Joe Legend, Michael Kovac, Bambikiller, Sinn Bodhi, and many others.
What completely changed the way I see and practice pro wrestling, however, was my research into the past and the training path in catch wrestling that I began in 2008. Since then, I have traveled to the USA, UK, Canada, and Japan, also organizing seminars in Italy, to train with legends such as Billy Robinson, Josh Barnett, Frank Shamrock, Wade Schalles, Joe Malenko, and Yuko Miyato.
To leave no stone unturned, I also did some training with multiple Olympic champion Vincenzo Maenza. Among my Italian teachers, I must also mention Fabio Tumazzo, from whom I learned a great deal.
2.) In 2008 you got in touch with Jake Shannon, a famous American catch wrestling coach, through whom you met Billy Robinson, the legendary pro wrestler and catch wrestler who became your coach. Why did you decide to learn both pro wrestling and real wrestling? What advantages did practicing catch wrestling give you in pro wrestling? Can you tell us something about Billy Robinson?
Answer: I came to catch wrestling because I like studying the history of the things I am passionate about. When you study the history of pro wrestling and go far enough back in time, you inevitably arrive at catch wrestling.
Among all the teachers, trainers, and coaches I have learned from, Billy Robinson is definitely the one I consider my main teacher. When I started training with him, he was already quite old and physically destroyed by a lifetime spent in rings all over the world. He was a very tough and strict coach who took his work extremely seriously.
Billy was also very old school, and I cannot deny that sometimes I received a few whacks from his trusted walking stick, which he used to help himself walk. Sometimes he used it to poke you and correct your position, but when he got angry, he would actually throw it at you. Those were the days!
What I remember most about Billy was his encyclopedic knowledge of grappling techniques and concepts, his attention to those small but extremely important details that allow you to improve every move, technique, and concept, and his love and passion for wrestling.
The fact that Billy had been both a legendary pro wrestler and a catch wrestler helped me enormously in incorporating the shoot world of catch wrestling and then transferring and integrating it into my personal pro wrestling style.
I still remember how happy I was the day he gave me the OK to add his double-underhook suplex to my repertoire, and especially the double wristlock, the same move he had previously passed on and taught to his best student and legendary "Gracie hunter" Kazushi Sakuraba, who is still my favorite MMA fighter of all time.
Billy also loved having fun. I remember many evenings with rivers of beer and wine, listening to him tell stories from his career. Jake Shannon jokingly compared Billy to a rock star of wrestling because of how much he enjoyed having fun and partying. Jake was also surprised that I was one of the few people who could keep up with Billy and hold my own when it came to drinking alcohol. But those were different times, when I was much more reckless and immature!
3.) Among Italian pro wrestlers of the last 25 years, are you the only one who has been seriously trained in real wrestling?
Answer: I cannot answer that question because I don't know all the Italian pro wrestlers, but I am absolutely certain that there are several who have backgrounds in judo, BJJ, wrestling, and/or other disciplines.
Among those I know, for example, Vito Rea was a Pankration champion, my student Mariel was also an excellent Greco-Roman wrestler, Mr. Excellent is very good at grappling, and Gianluca Palombi is a great BJJ athlete. I am sure there are many others as well!
4.) Given your undeniable technical and athletic preparation in pro wrestling and catch wrestling, do you think your height of 170 cm prevented you from having a great pro wrestling career abroad?
Answer: Difficult question. The type of physique considered acceptable for pro wrestling has certainly changed enormously over the last 25 years. Nowadays, it is definitely easier for us "little guys" as well.
There is also the fact that in our world, sometimes you need a little bit of luck. In other words, you often need to be in the right place at the right time and be noticed by the right person. Then, of course, you also need talent.
To achieve real success—and by success I mean earning enough to make a living solely from pro wrestling—you have to leave Italy, and often Europe as well.
Certainly, especially about twenty years ago, I should have moved abroad to try to reach those levels. But in 2005 I became a father, and since my relationship with my daughter's mother ended badly very quickly, I would never have dreamed of moving overseas and abandoning my daughter in Italy to pursue my dream.
So I decided to scale back my personal dream and stay in Italy, something I absolutely do not regret. Quite the opposite.
I lost my mother when I was young, and my father was always traveling around the world for work. That past led me to decide that I wanted to be more present in my daughter's life.
Being present in Alice's life also meant spending alternate weekends at home being a father, and obviously this choice—which I am happy and proud of—had a major impact on my wrestling career as well. No promoter can reasonably build around and push titles on a wrestler who is not always available to make appearances.
I would say that, for me, it was a matter of life choices and decisions. But I have absolutely no regrets. Now that my daughter is an adult and has her own independent life, I am extremely happy that I was there for her when she was little and while she was growing up. I used to travel from Treviglio to Vicenza three or four days a week just to be with her.
As with everything else in my life, I have always done things my own way.
5.) Over the years, how many world-class pro wrestlers and catch wrestlers have you brought to Italy?
Answer: Billy Robinson, Josh Barnett, Wade Schalles, Frank Shamrock, (thanks to Scientific Wrestling on Enrico Sabadini), Joe Malenko, Marty Jones, Johnny Saint, and Heddi Karaoui.
6.) Tell us about when you brought Josh Barnett to Italy. He has been one of the greatest fighters of all time in MMA, one of the greatest catch wrestlers of all time, and also a highly successful pro wrestler. Was it exciting to train with a living legend like him?
Answer: Josh is quite a character! A giant and absolutely a Master of the art of combat. Catch, pro wrestling, BJJ, bare-knuckle boxing—his nickname, "War Machine," describes him perfectly!
He is a professional and intense person. We are also around the same age and share several passions—catch wrestling, pro wrestling, heavy metal, comics—so I got along very well with him.
I can assure you that being underneath him during training, with his 112 kg—and he knows how to use his weight as a weapon—was a true infernal torture!
7.) What do you think about the history of pro wrestling and about those who spread and promote that history in Italy and around the world? Do you recommend studying it to people who practice or want to practice the discipline?
Answer: I am a lover of history in general, but I realize that very few Italian wrestlers are interested in studying it seriously.
Obviously, I recommend studying it because even in matches from the 1950s and subsequent decades you can find real gems in terms of techniques and spots that can easily be adapted to modern pro wrestling.
I also recommend it as a way of diversifying your own style, since many young wrestlers practically do all the same things.
Honestly, I would especially recommend studying the past in order to understand and properly learn "selling," which in my opinion is an art that is unfortunately disappearing.
As for those who spread and promote wrestling history, I think there is a niche of passionate historians and researchers who do excellent work, each in their own way.
8.) How do you see your present and future in the world of catch wrestling and pro wrestling?
Answer: If I have to be honest, I should have retired from pro wrestling in 2019 after suffering a C5 vertebra fracture in the ring.
After almost a year away from wrestling and rehabilitation, I returned to wrestling regularly until 2023, when a back injury left me bedridden for an entire summer, accompanied by a rapid loss of almost 20 kg and damage to my nervous system.
I still get into the ring occasionally, but I can only do matches such as Royal Rumbles or 3-on-3 matches in order to protect myself.
I have met too many old wrestlers who are physically completely broken down, and that has made me think a lot about my future.
I am gradually moving into the roles of manager and coach. Being a manager allows me to help the younger generation while also continuing to be part of the show and interact with the audience.
My real passion nowadays, however, is coaching. I love teaching, and I love integrating my knowledge of catch wrestling and incorporating it into Italian pro wrestling, contaminating it with my know-how, which I believe is unique in Italy.
Obviously, I will continue studying, improving, and attending seminars with great wrestlers so that I can keep learning more and more.
And who knows, maybe I might even manage to have one last retirement match, one-on-one.
As for catch wrestling, I will continue studying and teaching it, perhaps also organizing more seminars to bring the best catch wrestling coaches to Italy.
My journey continues.
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